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special guest then again I always tried

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to bring you the special guests but this

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guy's awesome he's an author Jason

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Gleaves ufologist researcher

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international author on Facebook Twitter

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Google you can find him everywhere he's

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the author of UFO photo and the newer

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book the UFO umbrella he's born in 1969

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in Liverpool England and he's served

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time in the Royal Air Force British

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Aerospace Airbus division he has a high

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expertise in modern civilian and

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military worldwide aircraft armaments

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recognition and visualization

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he's also contributed over the last 10

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years on numerous UFO pages media and

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his carried out photographic image video

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footage analysis on unidentified flying

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objects and associated anomalies he's

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written and contributed towards British

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ufologist paranormal researchers Steve

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Mehra for his training course in the

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field of operatives on image recognition

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and image analysis of anomalous objects

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and phenomena this new book the ufology

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umbrella follows his first book UFO

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photo and subjectively opens up the

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topic of Close Encounters and the sub

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categories until within

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Jason Gleaves does an excellent job of

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this and he is part of the flying disc

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press some of our favorite people out

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there you may know Philip mantel and we

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just love the guys over at flying disc

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press we had Philip mantel on not long

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ago on the podcasting hope to have him

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back these are a good group of guys and

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on the cutting edge of everything

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ufology so without further ado Jason

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welcome to the hyper anomalous esoteric

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research organization podcast hi Ryan

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thanks for the invite I'm always excited

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to have anybody from the flying disc

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press on you guys are such a great group

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of guys and I had Philip mantle on not

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long ago and I just think that the work

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and the quality of the books coming out

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of the flying disc press is far and

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above a lot of what we're seeing in

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ufology right now so I really appreciate

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it Jason no that's great that's great

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Philip monthly he is a great guy he's

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he's been in your apology a long time so

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you know he's that he's teaching

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everybody the ropes sort of thing to get

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in the books out and like you say trying

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to get the factual books out with

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detailed analysis and stuff like that

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that is great and I'm very very

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interested and I think your new book

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deserves a lot of a lot of praise

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because you you tackle it from a totally

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different perspective than most UFO

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books and you cover that under it's very

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titled the ufology umbrella

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yes it's well it really followed on from

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the first book that the first book again

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was via I've got a new F only Facebook

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page which on Twitter and all that so

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when I that's when I really started the

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posting and I'm getting UFO stories and

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things out and malleson analysis of

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photographs etc

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the first book UFO photo was really a

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step forward like a DIY approach to UF

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ology for people who wanted to really

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take note of how photos are analyzed and

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how you going from England that rooted

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you know what mean and then the second

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book was the father one again really the

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UF ology umbrella where I wanted to go

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into the separate categories of close

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encounters as most people don't realize

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that a seven categories in total a lot

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of them intermingled with each other

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depending on the site in experience but

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like I said people didn't realize how

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many the way I I think that it's very

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interesting how you also part of the

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title kind of the subtitle is close

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encounters are not enough and that is so

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true because most people are not aware

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of the the several different kinds and I

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like that in the book you go through and

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explain that for the readers and yeah

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it's could you explain a little bit to

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our listeners because I think a lot

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probably aren't aware of that as well

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some currently some yeah can do and like

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I said it's it's seven separate

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categories you know people that have

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gone into UF ology just trying to find

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my notes and on a second

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mm-hmm and I know that a it was a

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training I believe that did the first

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three correct it was yeah dr. Hynek he

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actually brought out the first two and

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then the third and the third was really

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in conjunction really when close

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encounters that their kindness Steven

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Spielberg film came out and he did a

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Garcia have a cameo role in that movie

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himself but he was only saw one two and

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three and then really going on from

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there it's really experiences and things

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that have happened you know beyond the

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1970s

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you know forwards really with us ology

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itself to join me to go through some of

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the categories in detail Co that would

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be great absolutely yeah well you've got

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the first closing counts of the first

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kind again after sighting in which one

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or more UFOs aerial phenomena described

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as sources so that's not attributed to

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no modern-day tech as we would know so

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he's really talking about unexplained

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lights that's probably it's probably the

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most common of all the sightings really

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see to that is the UFO it's being

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witnessed or seen but it associated

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known or sometimes unknown phenomena

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that accompanies it so you're talking

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really crop circles terrain or landscape

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damage scarred or mutilated animals

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livestock so you're really going down

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that road there's a little completely

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different Avenue electronic or

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mechanical interference or damage and

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then you've got catalepsy which is a

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it's like a trance state of paralysis of

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the body seizures and then that goes

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into some sort of unnatural physical

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occurrence so there's nearly quite

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detailed assault you can go into ce3

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Close Encounters of the Third Kind so

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that's a visual sighting of a UFO so

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that seems spotted to further include a

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visual confirmation of such so really

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you know that's one two and three I'd

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like you to carry on no no I well the

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other yeah let's do because I think

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although there is the argument I think a

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lot of people that are in ufology say

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number three is kind of the catch-all

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and everything above and beyond that is

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covered under three but there is some

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intricate different detail

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that that do kind of it's a way of

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knowing exactly what you're talking

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about it's what I found because

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sometimes you know three is kind of a

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very wide spectrum yeah well that's what

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I've found really myself that a lot of

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these categories do into mingle with

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each other so you could have one stroke

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four or two strokes seven you know they

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can you know depending on what they are

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but that's probably why Highness didn't

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want to really take it any further

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because the first three do cover quite a

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wide range would you like me to carry

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off

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sure yes please Jason absolutely yes I

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see four that's human abduction by extra

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beings or being so you've got different

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kinds of visitations so you could be

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when you're not actually taking on board

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a UFO so you have sort of an out-of-body

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experience that people have said that

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they've had you know and you can be in

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the custody of an et why are you still

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on earth and they could be on a craft so

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again it's you know controversial but

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you know it's still a different category

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c5 its bilateral contact with an ET

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entity so you through some audible form

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of communication so telepathy or

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something like that

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and the contact it can be initiated by

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either a human or an ET can go both ways

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c6 that is the u.s. fare wallet

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inhabitants they directly causing injury

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or death to a human being so that's it's

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not an awful lot in that but there are

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actually cases attributed to that when

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I've heard of downed military craft that

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being recovered and they about human

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body parts on board so you know whether

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that's linked to that and then probably

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the most controversial of all is

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seven that's in which a human and an

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adult Exeter Estoril mate

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so sexual intercourse or artificial

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insemination that's to produce a hybrid

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being so you know the quite a wide range

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of categories from one to seven you know

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people need to know really you know what

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they're looking at mm-hmm I agree and

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it's it's it's a good way to know what

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you're looking at and I do think it's

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funny that the most controversial it's

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usually when it comes to human beings

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involves sex in some way shape or form

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that's almost the truth and I was very

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impressed with understanding the space

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flight in the theory of hyperspace

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dimensional travel and I was wondering

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if it's okay if I read a paragraph that

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is it I think you nailed something that

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a lot of people try to avoid and yet and

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it goes let's see here it's I believe

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the gods are actually physical forms

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that are created in the universe by

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creation itself possibly just like

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everyone else

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the gods are actually humans that are up

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very on the highest development of

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knowledge their knowledge of the

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elements and the laws of nature and the

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laws of creation are so high but it

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seems and appears to the general

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populace that they are creating things

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when mostly they're just manipulating or

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generating things because of a much

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higher knowledge of rural force the real

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creative force which is throughout the

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entire universe and this would explain

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so much so much in this area of interest

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yeah yeah well like to say yeah people

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look at well you really got to imagine

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on the center of an ET as a goddess

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suction and you know primitive earth

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going back to the ancients who didn't

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understand what they were looking at and

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they can see that the gods can

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manipulate and understand things that

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they can't so again it's really just

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putting things into

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context of you know hit the gods with

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the ETS who were just highly advanced

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mm-hmm and a lot of it is is like you

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said a lot of it is like the ancient

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it's it's what we call things and I

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think people get so hung up on names

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because you know you say gods and that

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that's really just saying someone higher

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than ourselves and people get offended

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people get oh no and and you know

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there's got to be gods with a small G

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and a capital G and every whim that is

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you know human comes out and the

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conversation turns to muck and I do

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really like that you clearly you know

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explain that this is very relative these

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things are relative and and I like that

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that word the rule force kind of the the

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real creative force that is throughout

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the entire universe that was I think

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very dead on it's something else that

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was very interesting I thought in not

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not to not to just go all over the place

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was the frequencies and UFO sightings

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and the different Hertz and could you go

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into that a bit Jason yes

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well again the I I believe just through

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my research really it's just one thing

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that I've actually led month let sort of

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being led towards really is frequencies

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and sightings and everything is pretty

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much linked together it really it does

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if you look at the electromagnetic

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spectrum table human beings can only see

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in a certain spectrum of light so we can

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see radio waves or microwaves or

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infrared ultraviolet or x-rays or

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anything like that we can just see in a

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very short and so when people see UFOs

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well if you're looking it another way

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when people contact me with an image

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that needs a analyzing

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they generally they would contact me and

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say well when I took photograph the

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youth I couldn't see any UFO or anything

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in the image but later when I went back

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and reviewed the image there was the UFO

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and I think at the time you you're

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looking at things on a different wave

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bump - what the UFO is so when you go

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back and look at it on a digital camera

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or whichever way you've taken the

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photograph that can read that that

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visual at that frequency is such so and

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it goes further than that you know you

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get loved musicians who famous musicians

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especially there in the in the news

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where they've seen UFOs and come forward

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and said they've seen this when all

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musicians can read music on a certain

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level they've got a higher feel for

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frequencies and being able to read the

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music so again but you know I believe

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it's the it's all to do with different

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levels of frequency what you can

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actually see and you know it's all inter

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tied together and then also the other

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side where more and more people are

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actually coming forward in their getting

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the ringing in their ears where you know

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it could be tinnitus obviously that type

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of thing but also it's it's a higher

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state of frequency that people are being

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woken up to probably what's going on

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around them I couldn't agree more about

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the musicians and I mean historically

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who comes to mind right off the bat is

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Robbie Williams but historically there's

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there's a lot of that these connections

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between frequencies and music and you

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know the musicians even in some systems

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are considered up there higher than the

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average individuals the artists and

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they're up there with the priests and

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such and I think that the ability to

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kind of key in on these things that are

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audio phenomena or the like could be

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there could be something there

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I also I think it's interesting the

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though mechanical sounds the ringing in

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the ears these are things that are

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oftentimes and commonly associated with

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areas of high strangeness and and

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sometimes people even hear them

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underground or what they think is

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underground because a lot of this is

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perspective isn't it that's it yeah

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you know and again it's things that more

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and more people are waking up to what is

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happening around them that environment

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and surroundings and that's just one

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part of it that's actually coming

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forward that people are more more

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identifying with that phenomenon that's

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happening to them mm-hmm is with the

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Hertz because I think that there's

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something about that energy I was also

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mesmerised by the fact that all

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throughout the universe each planet I

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mean there are different frequencies to

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all these celestial bodies and and in

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our humanism we we tend to forget that

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and is it reminds me a lot and I believe

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this is pretty common you mentioned that

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often times you take pictures of

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something and they don't the craft won't

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show up and this this happened to me I

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was with my mother and we were taking

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pictures of what appeared to be well it

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was very strange it appeared to be a a

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funnel of what appeared to be dark bugs

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in a field and it just looked like a

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funnel of bugs going up into the sky or

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coming down to the ground I didn't know

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which and there was two or three of

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these funnels and as I took pictures

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with my cell phone

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they pictures weren't something I looked

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at until about 60 seconds later as we

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were going down the road and I said mom

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turned the car around look and when I

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showed her as you said there appeared to

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be craft above yet at the time we saw

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absolutely nothing and I recently

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watched it was one of Darcy wares knew

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beyond the spectrum

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a new documentary and they kind of go

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into these individuals that are catching

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glimpses usually like you said through

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cell phones of things that are appear to

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be dimensional but we can't see them

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with the human eye this is fascinating

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to me yeah yeah I mean it's just it it's

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just people generally coming around to

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this you know things that are happening

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around it probably always happened over

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the years it's just the technologies

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caught up now you know cameras digital

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cameras especially you know the chips

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inside the minitor for getting more and

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more advanced and they can see these

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things that we really can't see so yeah

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you know again it is great that you know

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you especially through research you can

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find these things out put all this

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information is on the internet everybody

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can just go out there I was safe to

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everybody you know don't don't take what

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I say is gospel go out and find out for

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yourself you know mm-hmm

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the the pilots that were seeing the the

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UFOs here in the United States and I'm

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sure this is happening throughout the

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world

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oftentimes they're they're looking

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through this flare imagery and they see

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them and they're not able to see them

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with their naked eyes and I think it

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reminds me a lot of not to get off topic

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but the hermetic laws and that

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everything has a vibration and you

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mentioned this in your book that a good

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example it's like you know the beam me

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up Scotty if the different particles of

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the body you know which is really just

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matter at a different vibration and that

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the similar method could be used for a

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spaceship or similar type of craft

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moving across galaxies for example yeah

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yeah I believe that you can't get the

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vast distances that we know we look out

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into the Stars and that these are the

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galaxies that literally like we

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light-years away from us so it's

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virtually impossible at the speeds that

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we're traveling in our rocket now

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to get there you know in numa's lifetime

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so you've got to look beyond the way we

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travel because ets wouldn't travel the

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way we would they've you know

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instantaneous so wave like I said to

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explain it is the the the beam up Scotty

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star trekt analysis where you know you

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literally you're being from one part of

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the galaxy to the next and it's

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instantaneous and you know we've got to

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stop thinking of ETS and UFOs is not

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some bolts we've got to start thinking

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outside the box and we're going to start

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going you know multi-dimensional and I'm

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down that road as well now mm-hmm it

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it's so true and I don't doubt for a

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minute that military is trying to

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reverse engineer what they are seeing

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with nuts and bolts but that may not be

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the best method and I I think the ideal

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is exactly what you're talking about and

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I wanted to ask you Jason you have

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devoted amazing amount of time to this

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specific effort your your bio is just

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unfathomable and I'm very impressed and

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it made me wonder have you had any

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experiences yourself or what first led

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you down this field yeah well quite a

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few at numerous sightings and

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experiences myself the first one

510
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happened really when I was seven years

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old and I had a sighting with my sister

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in Liverpool in the UK we were playing

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upstairs at a relative's house and we

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both saw a disc shaped object outside

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the window and this thing just stayed

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there it was so bright it was really a

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luminous and little but it wasn't bright

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enough that you couldn't actually look

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at the object within a while hurting

520
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your eyes it was okay and then this

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thing took off a high velocity and we

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carried on playing like nothing could

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happen

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and I've actually forgotten about it was

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only later my sister she actually

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reminded when I got more into this

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research of UFO UFOs and everything and

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she said John do you remember the site

529
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and we saw in Liverpool and I said oh

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yeah you talk came back to me slowly and

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more and more house and in the book I

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wrote a piece on it and we've actually

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sat down together and drew what we

534
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thought we saw at the time and you know

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we've gone down that road that's and

536
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that's amazing yeah they're they're used

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there usually is something to that how

538
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you can somewhat forget or or you I

539
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don't know if it's just put out of mind

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I've noticed that myself

541
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I and I wanted to bring something up a

542
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little off topic but it's back to these

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pilots and the tick tack and it's

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everything that is just consuming the

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media right now and other images that

546
00:27:11,940 --> 00:27:08,770
the to the stars Academy and the Navy

547
00:27:15,630 --> 00:27:11,950
and frequenting carve our airwaves in

548
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:15,640
our art TV screens and there have been

549
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:20,320
some people who have come forward in

550
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:22,810
Europe saying that there have been very

551
00:27:29,130 --> 00:27:25,450
similar crafts if not some of the exact

552
00:27:34,410 --> 00:27:29,140
same images actually in some cases that

553
00:27:35,970 --> 00:27:34,420
were actually seen there first and are

554
00:27:40,110 --> 00:27:35,980
you aware of any of this or have you

555
00:27:42,210 --> 00:27:40,120
heard of any of this not I've seen one

556
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:42,220
that I'm actually gonna show I'm gonna

557
00:27:48,690 --> 00:27:45,760
be speaking in three weeks at my first

558
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:48,700
conference I go to a lot of conferences

559
00:27:53,970 --> 00:27:51,490
as many as I can and have done for years

560
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:53,980
but this will be the first time that

561
00:27:58,800 --> 00:27:55,690
I've actually stood up and spoke at a

562
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:58,810
conference lapis in Blackpool and in the

563
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:01,360
UK and I'm actually going to show a

564
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:04,570
photograph there of a tic-tac UFO will

565
00:28:11,580 --> 00:28:08,320
shake UFO that was taken out of the

566
00:28:15,390 --> 00:28:11,590
cockpit of a military Royal Air Force

567
00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:15,400
Tycoon aircraft and you can see it's

568
00:28:23,580 --> 00:28:20,310
following an su-7 unless you

569
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:23,590
27 I think it's the Russian fighter jet

570
00:28:30,150 --> 00:28:25,600
and they were they were they were in a

571
00:28:33,540 --> 00:28:30,160
joint exercise over Estonia and you can

572
00:28:38,730 --> 00:28:33,550
see a tic-tac UFO this actually follow

573
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:38,740
in the two aircraft this thing with them

574
00:28:47,270 --> 00:28:42,640
the tic-tac UFOs that have been brought

575
00:28:50,430 --> 00:28:47,280
forward to the Stars Academy in America

576
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:50,440
the only thing I say with this it's all

577
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:52,480
great and it's all positive coming

578
00:28:59,160 --> 00:28:56,110
forward for the world of UF ology but

579
00:29:02,640 --> 00:28:59,170
when it first came out on the actual

580
00:29:06,420 --> 00:29:02,650
reading of the the aircraft that you can

581
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:06,430
see the altitude and the aircraft speed

582
00:29:12,270 --> 00:29:08,970
and the arisin and everything all the

583
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:12,280
pilot information down the right-hand

584
00:29:18,410 --> 00:29:15,360
side you can actually see the word slave

585
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:18,420
now when I first saw this footage I

586
00:29:24,210 --> 00:29:21,370
little alarm bells rang in my head Bibi

587
00:29:28,350 --> 00:29:24,220
in that military but another word for

588
00:29:30,750 --> 00:29:28,360
slave in military terms is drone now I'm

589
00:29:33,660 --> 00:29:30,760
wondering I just thought whether it was

590
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:33,670
a military covert drone they were

591
00:29:40,050 --> 00:29:37,600
following or something so but you know

592
00:29:41,940 --> 00:29:40,060
I'm not trying to kick the subject of

593
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:41,950
the to to the side of the cab you'll be

594
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:43,210
pulling forward I think it's all

595
00:29:47,490 --> 00:29:45,520
positive but there's just little things

596
00:29:51,420 --> 00:29:47,500
that I have little alarm bells ringing

597
00:29:58,020 --> 00:29:51,430
in my head when I saw it I noticed that

598
00:30:00,510 --> 00:29:58,030
I noticed that myself and I I I'm right

599
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:00,520
there with you it does not seem well

600
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:02,710
like you said I think the overall idea

601
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:06,370
is good and it's great that you follow

602
00:30:11,490 --> 00:30:08,080
gee is finally getting some of the

603
00:30:14,670 --> 00:30:11,500
attention that it deserves and it's it's

604
00:30:17,130 --> 00:30:14,680
it's hard to you know separate the wheat

605
00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:17,140
from the chaff and all that but it I

606
00:30:21,540 --> 00:30:19,510
think overall absolutely there's there

607
00:30:24,150 --> 00:30:21,550
something there

608
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:24,160
another thing that I wanted to if it's

609
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:26,530
okay to read from your book it's another

610
00:30:33,660 --> 00:30:29,290
paragraph that I thought was very on

611
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:33,670
point and it kind of goes into

612
00:30:39,890 --> 00:30:36,640
want to call it well it's basically

613
00:30:43,170 --> 00:30:39,900
about creation and spiritual energy and

614
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:43,180
it reads I believe creation is an

615
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:45,010
original form of spiritual energy in our

616
00:30:49,260 --> 00:30:47,290
universe and beyond not to be confused

617
00:30:51,270 --> 00:30:49,270
with religion which I also believe as

618
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:51,280
man-made as mentioned above all

619
00:30:56,370 --> 00:30:53,710
interlinked regarding matter in all its

620
00:30:58,920 --> 00:30:56,380
energy forms creation starts with an

621
00:31:00,990 --> 00:30:58,930
idea a good example for this making a

622
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:01,000
drink for yourself starts with an idea

623
00:31:05,790 --> 00:31:03,010
then condensed and convert it into a

624
00:31:08,010 --> 00:31:05,800
thought which is converted to solid

625
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:08,020
matter the actions of making a drink for

626
00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:10,930
example I believe this is the same

627
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,310
principle for everything in how the

628
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:14,320
universe and multiverse are born and

629
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:18,480
created and I think this again

630
00:31:22,530 --> 00:31:20,890
without getting into religious beliefs

631
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:22,540
and all that this is really an energy

632
00:31:28,590 --> 00:31:24,130
dilemma that we're talking about

633
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:28,600
creational ism and matter and how these

634
00:31:34,770 --> 00:31:31,690
craft or dimensional entities are

635
00:31:37,620 --> 00:31:34,780
entering and exiting our space as they

636
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,630
wish and this is really creation they

637
00:31:42,990 --> 00:31:40,080
are there to do they're obviously

638
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:43,000
manipulating the time and space around

639
00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:46,930
them and this has been somewhat

640
00:31:52,830 --> 00:31:48,670
accomplished by human beings in the past

641
00:31:54,690 --> 00:31:52,840
or at least allegedly has been you know

642
00:31:56,190 --> 00:31:54,700
when you when you start unfortunately

643
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:56,200
going down some of these religious or

644
00:32:02,040 --> 00:31:58,330
spiritual realms you know you hear of

645
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:02,050
these ascended masters that can be seen

646
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:05,050
in two places at once or levitate or

647
00:32:10,770 --> 00:32:08,050
basically any form of manipulating the

648
00:32:14,370 --> 00:32:10,780
matter around them why is it that

649
00:32:18,180 --> 00:32:14,380
society is so hard-pressed to not look

650
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:18,190
at this creation or manipulation of time

651
00:32:22,110 --> 00:32:20,110
and space this is something that the

652
00:32:24,570 --> 00:32:22,120
majority of society is so closed off to

653
00:32:27,660 --> 00:32:24,580
is that due to the programming and the

654
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:27,670
religion and the man-made effects yeah I

655
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:29,770
think it's definitely some sorts of

656
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:32,320
programming because you know from from

657
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:34,890
the word go when you go to school and

658
00:32:40,350 --> 00:32:38,050
even before that kindergarten and you

659
00:32:42,140 --> 00:32:40,360
know where infant schooling or whatever

660
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:42,150
you want to terms you want to put it in

661
00:32:47,410 --> 00:32:44,530
you know you would give reset on the

662
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:47,420
program route of being told this

663
00:32:52,420 --> 00:32:50,330
right this is wrong this is black this

664
00:32:55,150 --> 00:32:52,430
is blue and you have to go with the flow

665
00:32:57,910 --> 00:32:55,160
and if you go against the system you're

666
00:33:00,790 --> 00:32:57,920
a troublemaker or you've questioned

667
00:33:02,380 --> 00:33:00,800
anything then again you're you know you

668
00:33:05,620 --> 00:33:02,390
beat you're causing trouble to the

669
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:05,630
system that the rotten apple about apple

670
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:09,530
so when yeah you've got to think outside

671
00:33:16,060 --> 00:33:13,130
the box we're really you know religion

672
00:33:17,770 --> 00:33:16,070
like I said I'm not religious myself and

673
00:33:20,770 --> 00:33:17,780
I'm not certainly don't want to offend

674
00:33:24,580 --> 00:33:20,780
anybody but it's just my opinion you

675
00:33:27,150 --> 00:33:24,590
know religion is a man-made thing before

676
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:27,160
all that you've got to think of you know

677
00:33:36,940 --> 00:33:30,320
where things are actually like I said in

678
00:33:39,790 --> 00:33:36,950
the book where matter and you know you

679
00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:39,800
can bring forward about the book hello

680
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:43,310
yes yes yes absolutely

681
00:33:52,420 --> 00:33:50,000
yes so I just went blank no god yes oh

682
00:33:58,660 --> 00:33:52,430
I'm so sorry it seems like we lost you

683
00:34:04,540 --> 00:33:58,670
for a moment all right yeah back on it

684
00:34:06,010 --> 00:34:04,550
sounds good now okay the last the last I

685
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:06,020
heard was yeah that a lot of this is

686
00:34:13,330 --> 00:34:08,810
probably that that that intolerance

687
00:34:16,930 --> 00:34:13,340
because it's programmed by the education

688
00:34:19,180 --> 00:34:16,940
system or the religious yeah yeah and

689
00:34:22,419 --> 00:34:19,190
it's them you know really see this among

690
00:34:24,669 --> 00:34:22,429
may thing and I think it causes more

691
00:34:26,860 --> 00:34:24,679
trouble than than anything you know

692
00:34:32,140 --> 00:34:26,870
religion a lot most wars are fought over

693
00:34:34,030 --> 00:34:32,150
really to its to me you know we've got

694
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:34,040
we've got to look we [\h__\h] way beyond

695
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:36,560
that and like we said before where I are

696
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:39,200
explained in the book we have everything

697
00:34:45,490 --> 00:34:42,770
starts with a thought you know and then

698
00:34:47,740 --> 00:34:45,500
it becomes reality you know you do

699
00:34:50,190 --> 00:34:47,750
something in your day it's a thought in

700
00:34:53,530 --> 00:34:50,200
your mind and you go on and do it so

701
00:34:56,260 --> 00:34:53,540
you've got to think on that that level

702
00:34:59,500 --> 00:34:56,270
won't on that you know frequency as such

703
00:35:00,880 --> 00:34:59,510
and you know you can only be good in

704
00:35:04,660 --> 00:35:00,890
only be good for everybody

705
00:35:07,210 --> 00:35:04,670
mm-hmm a question Jason that I wanted to

706
00:35:10,750 --> 00:35:07,220
a lot of people are torn on and you

707
00:35:13,210 --> 00:35:10,760
mentioned it for a moment is a lot of

708
00:35:16,180 --> 00:35:13,220
people when it comes to things like crop

709
00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:16,190
circles or cattle mutilations they step

710
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:18,670
away and they don't want to discuss

711
00:35:26,260 --> 00:35:24,650
those particular parts of ufology now is

712
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:26,270
that because it's they don't categorize

713
00:35:29,950 --> 00:35:28,250
it as ufology what are your thoughts on

714
00:35:32,290 --> 00:35:29,960
that you've devoted so much time to this

715
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:32,300
you probably have more of an idea than

716
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:37,610
most all the crop circles again you can

717
00:35:44,170 --> 00:35:40,610
go down the road again where people fake

718
00:35:45,970 --> 00:35:44,180
crop circles they're man-made and then

719
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:45,980
there are people who actually research

720
00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:48,530
in more detail you know with the become

721
00:35:53,140 --> 00:35:50,200
real experts on it

722
00:35:57,460 --> 00:35:53,150
good friend of mine Robert Olson in the

723
00:36:02,080 --> 00:35:57,470
UK he's investigated a lot of crop

724
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:02,090
circles and if you go into the real eat

725
00:36:08,020 --> 00:36:04,160
eat crop circles you know I've been

726
00:36:11,050 --> 00:36:08,030
produced by ETS not human you know

727
00:36:13,660 --> 00:36:11,060
there's the the actual stalks are

728
00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:13,670
actually bent in such a way where they

729
00:36:20,170 --> 00:36:17,510
knuckles the nodes of the stalk are not

730
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:20,180
damaged in any way they just split and

731
00:36:23,860 --> 00:36:21,680
the actor crops

732
00:36:28,650 --> 00:36:23,870
still grows it's still growing it's not

733
00:36:31,660 --> 00:36:28,660
you know people die off at all again

734
00:36:34,890 --> 00:36:31,670
it's you know some of the actual

735
00:36:37,810 --> 00:36:34,900
patterns and designs that have been made

736
00:36:41,980 --> 00:36:37,820
especially down in Wiltshire here in the

737
00:36:44,650 --> 00:36:41,990
UK you know they're amazing and you know

738
00:36:48,810 --> 00:36:44,660
whether they're actually made by humans

739
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:48,820
or at the time it's difficult to say and

740
00:36:55,330 --> 00:36:51,890
they and again approaching what you've

741
00:36:58,450 --> 00:36:55,340
just said about the animal mutilations I

742
00:37:00,730 --> 00:36:58,460
mean it's just not a nice side of you f

743
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:00,740
ology if that's the case you know is it

744
00:37:06,190 --> 00:37:02,930
et that are actually doing this to

745
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:06,200
animals for scientific purposes or

746
00:37:12,070 --> 00:37:09,770
whatever you know it's just not a nice

747
00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:12,080
side and that's probably why people will

748
00:37:16,579 --> 00:37:13,950
shy away from this area

749
00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:16,589
because you know some of the pictures

750
00:37:22,250 --> 00:37:19,320
I've seen a quite gory of the animals of

751
00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:22,260
what actually being done and again what

752
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:24,060
I've been done to human beings on

753
00:37:32,540 --> 00:37:26,730
similar things with abductions as well

754
00:37:35,060 --> 00:37:32,550
so they do I do say it's not a nice nice

755
00:37:36,220 --> 00:37:35,070
part of your FRG let's let's say that

756
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:36,230
mm-hmm

757
00:37:43,370 --> 00:37:40,890
absolutely and I wanted to touch on some

758
00:37:44,750 --> 00:37:43,380
of the the consciousness involved with a

759
00:37:48,589 --> 00:37:44,760
lot of these sightings and how the

760
00:37:51,230 --> 00:37:48,599
observer seems to be so key oftentimes

761
00:37:53,540 --> 00:37:51,240
looking at these this this when the veil

762
00:37:59,089 --> 00:37:53,550
is pulled back and you see crafts or you

763
00:38:02,530 --> 00:37:59,099
see these intriguing puzzling visions is

764
00:38:05,690 --> 00:38:02,540
consciousness involved in your opinion

765
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:05,700
yeah definitely because you've gone up

766
00:38:12,109 --> 00:38:10,410
in the frequency levels especially a lot

767
00:38:14,420 --> 00:38:12,119
of Beatty especially a lot of people

768
00:38:17,329 --> 00:38:14,430
I've had contact me you have had

769
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:17,339
interactions or experiences with with

770
00:38:25,870 --> 00:38:21,450
ETS have all said very similar things or

771
00:38:30,309 --> 00:38:25,880
of similar things of nature where again

772
00:38:32,750 --> 00:38:30,319
it's the frequency levels of change and

773
00:38:35,180 --> 00:38:32,760
consciousness you're going up the levels

774
00:38:39,620 --> 00:38:35,190
and made a good friend among pizza

775
00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:39,630
maxwell slattery australian he setting

776
00:38:44,930 --> 00:38:41,369
and then you've got james gilliland d

777
00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:44,940
sette they both go into great detail

778
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:47,910
about the consciousness the way people

779
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,640
are actually coming around to being on

780
00:38:55,069 --> 00:38:52,800
the same level and the ETS are

781
00:38:59,390 --> 00:38:55,079
interacting with them because of that

782
00:39:04,000 --> 00:38:59,400
reason mm-hmm I'm glad you bring that up

783
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:04,010
I like Peter and what he does and the

784
00:39:09,950 --> 00:39:06,770
interesting thing coming back to that

785
00:39:11,660 --> 00:39:09,960
creative force or that this

786
00:39:14,359 --> 00:39:11,670
consciousness where that's allowing

787
00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:14,369
people to communicate often times even

788
00:39:19,220 --> 00:39:17,369
biblically in the Bible is mentioned in

789
00:39:23,540 --> 00:39:19,230
you know they mentioned the yellow eeeem

790
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:23,550
and yet you know people completely

791
00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:25,170
embrace this with sin when it's in

792
00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:26,760
biblical form however when it

793
00:39:33,740 --> 00:39:29,880
to the UFO phenomena it seems to be kind

794
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:33,750
of pushed to the side and I think that

795
00:39:39,410 --> 00:39:35,730
there must be some kind of connection

796
00:39:42,530 --> 00:39:39,420
there because there is there's something

797
00:39:43,550 --> 00:39:42,540
there's something there oh definitely

798
00:39:46,849 --> 00:39:43,560
definitely

799
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:46,859
you know I was looking off a couple

800
00:39:54,050 --> 00:39:50,609
years back to go to the bastards in

801
00:39:59,300 --> 00:39:54,060
London when elephant Daniken came over

802
00:40:01,400 --> 00:39:59,310
for his 50th anniversary talk so a lot

803
00:40:04,010 --> 00:40:01,410
of people in UF ology in the UK were

804
00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:04,020
invited along and it was a great night

805
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:07,140
and one of the things he actually came

806
00:40:13,700 --> 00:40:10,560
up with in this talk was he's actually

807
00:40:15,470 --> 00:40:13,710
got hold about a Bible that was 300

808
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:15,480
years old

809
00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:17,310
and he said if you actually put it in

810
00:40:22,730 --> 00:40:20,760
relative to a Bible it was roped today

811
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:22,740
he said they're completely different

812
00:40:28,460 --> 00:40:26,480
books the things that were wrote in them

813
00:40:30,980 --> 00:40:28,470
something of the way they've been

814
00:40:33,740 --> 00:40:30,990
changed as well over the years pursuit

815
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:33,750
of mankind if you want to do you really

816
00:40:41,390 --> 00:40:38,400
want to say that so yeah you know

817
00:40:44,510 --> 00:40:41,400
religious things we say this it's a

818
00:40:48,050 --> 00:40:44,520
programming it's it's people are happy

819
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:48,060
to do their day to day mundane lives if

820
00:40:52,070 --> 00:40:50,250
you want to say that as well they're

821
00:40:54,790 --> 00:40:52,080
happy they're going to work come home

822
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:54,800
watch their favorite TV shows and

823
00:40:59,230 --> 00:40:57,359
anything else out of the ordinary that

824
00:41:02,240 --> 00:40:59,240
falls into their world

825
00:41:05,450 --> 00:41:02,250
becomes an obstacle to them they don't

826
00:41:09,290 --> 00:41:05,460
like it and it's you know the the happy

827
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,300
mediums gone so you know it's all about

828
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:11,520
waking up it's all about wait you're not

829
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:15,690
really I agree I agree and I wanted to

830
00:41:22,210 --> 00:41:18,570
bring something up Jason that gosh 46

831
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:22,220
years ago today the month of October the

832
00:41:29,359 --> 00:41:25,440
United States case the case of Calvin

833
00:41:35,060 --> 00:41:29,369
Parker and Charles Hickson being victims

834
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:35,070
of a close encounter in Mississippi your

835
00:41:39,980 --> 00:41:36,720
thoughts it seems like this is a very

836
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:39,990
well documented alien abduction case

837
00:41:43,550 --> 00:41:41,130
I'm sure you know the one I'm talking

838
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:43,560
about does that prove beyond a

839
00:41:49,609 --> 00:41:45,570
reasonable doubt that such events are

840
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:49,619
indeed real well it helps certainly with

841
00:41:54,350 --> 00:41:51,570
the the evidence that's been brought

842
00:41:57,590 --> 00:41:54,360
forward I mean you can go and listen to

843
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,600
Kelvin with your talk on all the shows I

844
00:42:03,800 --> 00:41:59,280
don't know if you've had him on your

845
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:03,810
show he's a great guy he's really honest

846
00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:06,690
guy you can believe what he say he's not

847
00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:10,020
doing it for the fame or fortune he's in

848
00:42:14,030 --> 00:42:11,880
it just to get out what does actually

849
00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:14,040
how he's got a raw deal over his life

850
00:42:19,130 --> 00:42:17,310
over this and the information that's

851
00:42:21,170 --> 00:42:19,140
coming forward with the help you know

852
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:21,180
with Philip man Paul's research into it

853
00:42:27,380 --> 00:42:25,050
and he's really you know all the people

854
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:27,390
have had the same sightings on the same

855
00:42:34,370 --> 00:42:30,570
date or around that time other people

856
00:42:37,609 --> 00:42:34,380
saw what happened and the the recordings

857
00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:37,619
when they were being in interviewed by

858
00:42:43,370 --> 00:42:40,740
police at the time you know and the

859
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:43,380
police actually left the recording going

860
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:45,450
in the room secretly to try and catch

861
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:48,450
them out and all that time through the

862
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,850
that they just carried on saying what

863
00:42:56,830 --> 00:42:52,560
what they've seen they didn't want to

864
00:43:03,140 --> 00:43:00,320
you know it's on similar par with what

865
00:43:06,380 --> 00:43:03,150
happened with Travis Walton he's no same

866
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:06,390
type of guy same sort of experiences

867
00:43:14,890 --> 00:43:10,490
taking on board a craft etc in

868
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:14,900
experimental or being experimented on

869
00:43:21,830 --> 00:43:17,730
but I just think it's a very truthful

870
00:43:24,260 --> 00:43:21,840
honest account of what happened it does

871
00:43:28,310 --> 00:43:24,270
remind me a lot of the Travis Walton

872
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:28,320
case I have a close friend who is

873
00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:29,970
friends with one of the other

874
00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:31,380
individuals that was there for the

875
00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:34,440
Travis Walton case Steve Pearce and

876
00:43:39,290 --> 00:43:37,140
what's so amazing about that case is

877
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:39,300
these guys don't even like each other

878
00:43:49,010 --> 00:43:40,050
really

879
00:43:51,980 --> 00:43:49,020
their stories are 100% congruent and it

880
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,990
is it just reminds me a lot of the close

881
00:43:59,860 --> 00:43:53,280
encounter Cal

882
00:44:02,570 --> 00:43:59,870
Parker experienced in 1973 and Hynek had

883
00:44:06,530 --> 00:44:02,580
a lot to do with that case didn't he

884
00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:06,540
look into that he did yeah he went right

885
00:44:13,420 --> 00:44:09,510
over there's the cases time Philips ago

886
00:44:16,220 --> 00:44:13,430
a lot of information he's just

887
00:44:18,830 --> 00:44:16,230
apparently there's recording come

888
00:44:21,890 --> 00:44:18,840
forward as well some other recording I'm

889
00:44:25,180 --> 00:44:21,900
still waiting to hear more about so like

890
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:25,190
I said so much is coming forward it's

891
00:44:33,110 --> 00:44:28,290
you know it just it makes it more of a

892
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:33,120
concrete case in UF ology and again it

893
00:44:38,270 --> 00:44:35,370
was wrote about a long time ago and it's

894
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:38,280
just really things get forgotten about

895
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,890
and you've got to rego to take that

896
00:44:46,940 --> 00:44:42,720
information and get it back out there

897
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:46,950
and get the Public Interest mm-hmm I

898
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,810
agree there's there's a lot of Cohen

899
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:54,000
it's not even coincidence because it's

900
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,210
just so similar it makes you wonder what

901
00:45:02,960 --> 00:44:59,520
what is being done to these individuals

902
00:45:06,830 --> 00:45:02,970
and it seems like it's been done

903
00:45:10,310 --> 00:45:06,840
throughout the ages and I have to ask

904
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:10,320
and I and I have a huge interest in this

905
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:12,570
but what are your thought of portals

906
00:45:18,860 --> 00:45:14,850
like in Earth's magnetic field is this

907
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:18,870
part of the scenario or how does that

908
00:45:23,660 --> 00:45:21,210
equate or come into you know areas like

909
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,670
that are no unknown and I know they

910
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:25,680
exist also in Europe throughout Europe

911
00:45:33,380 --> 00:45:28,290
throughout the world really these areas

912
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:33,390
that are doorways into the unknown yes

913
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:37,290
yes I believe the portals are real and

914
00:45:43,370 --> 00:45:40,400
they're all linked as well through

915
00:45:46,250 --> 00:45:43,380
sightings certain sightings around the

916
00:45:48,530 --> 00:45:46,260
world you know you can look back to the

917
00:45:52,490 --> 00:45:48,540
Bermuda Triangle they were probably some

918
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:52,500
sort of a portal and again we go back to

919
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,010
the way we think that ETS travel across

920
00:46:00,110 --> 00:45:58,560
the universe themselves you know they've

921
00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:00,120
got to use that sort of technology

922
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:02,310
though so whether they're a natural

923
00:46:08,330 --> 00:46:05,450
phenomenon I don't know whether there

924
00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:08,340
manipulated to get them from A to B

925
00:46:16,340 --> 00:46:13,500
across the galaxy universe but I believe

926
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,350
you know they're out and again so in one

927
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:18,720
of the slides I'll be showing a couple

928
00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:22,010
of the images I'll be showing at my talk

929
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:26,910
soon it is actually one in there was a

930
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:29,970
sighting in Lanzarote which is one of

931
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:33,690
the Canary Islands and it was taken by a

932
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:36,510
local resident and II saw it a craft

933
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:40,650
that came through a portal and when I've

934
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:43,530
actually analyzed these images you can

935
00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:47,520
see the larger disc shaped object that

936
00:46:51,890 --> 00:46:49,500
has actually come through the portal and

937
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:51,900
then you've got a smaller one that has

938
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:54,480
AK exited the bottom of the the disc

939
00:47:00,170 --> 00:46:56,850
shaped object but when I actually

940
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:00,180
analyzed one of the images and inverted

941
00:47:06,830 --> 00:47:03,090
it you could actually see above there's

942
00:47:09,590 --> 00:47:06,840
like a Sun shaped object above it and

943
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:09,600
apparently that was where the craft came

944
00:47:17,330 --> 00:47:15,170
from and went to after the sighting and

945
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:17,340
the important thing about this

946
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:20,040
photograph really it's directly above

947
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:25,200
the craft but to the left is the

948
00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:28,050
direction where the Sun is the Sun was a

949
00:47:35,180 --> 00:47:31,380
deafening wasn't Sun and the Sun was up

950
00:47:37,610 --> 00:47:35,190
into the left hand corner because on one

951
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:37,620
the the dome-shaped object that came out

952
00:47:43,010 --> 00:47:40,710
with a disc-shaped craft you can

953
00:47:45,260 --> 00:47:43,020
actually see the Sun reflection on the

954
00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:45,270
top so you can see the direction of the

955
00:47:52,490 --> 00:47:48,710
Sun so again it's another interesting

956
00:47:54,110 --> 00:47:52,500
photograph nobody's ever seen yet so I'm

957
00:47:56,450 --> 00:47:54,120
going to try and hope get some

958
00:47:59,000 --> 00:47:56,460
photographs out there for people to see

959
00:48:01,520 --> 00:47:59,010
they've never seen those types of things

960
00:48:04,990 --> 00:48:01,530
before mm-hmm yeah the photographic

961
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:05,000
evidence is mind-boggling sometimes it's

962
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:08,640
amazing and I I wanted to ask your

963
00:48:12,860 --> 00:48:10,110
opinion I guess would be more than

964
00:48:15,980 --> 00:48:12,870
anything about many of the Ancients or

965
00:48:18,290 --> 00:48:15,990
digitus elders share stories about star

966
00:48:18,690 --> 00:48:18,300
people you know living underground or

967
00:48:20,730 --> 00:48:18,700
living

968
00:48:23,220 --> 00:48:20,740
side the earth this has been handed down

969
00:48:25,890 --> 00:48:23,230
for generations I believe the word

970
00:48:27,930 --> 00:48:25,900
Anunnaki actually means ant people and

971
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:27,940
what are your thoughts of that all over

972
00:48:35,099 --> 00:48:31,690
the world yet I believe that a basis all

973
00:48:37,050 --> 00:48:35,109
over the world you know underground

974
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:37,060
bases especially and I don't mean

975
00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:40,210
military base I mean et bases because

976
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:42,910
you know I'm sure they've lived here

977
00:48:48,690 --> 00:48:45,280
long before we were here they've been

978
00:48:52,050 --> 00:48:48,700
here a long time I know it james

979
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:52,060
gilliland you got the seti ranch near

980
00:48:59,359 --> 00:48:55,890
Mount Adams and a lot of the craft

981
00:49:03,150 --> 00:48:59,369
actually analyzed footage fraud James

982
00:49:07,020 --> 00:49:03,160
where some of the adapt he wrote there

983
00:49:10,410 --> 00:49:07,030
took video footage of a craft leaving

984
00:49:14,130 --> 00:49:10,420
the the mountain at nighttime and it's

985
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:14,140
traveling probably on excess over a

986
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:15,910
thousand miles an hour as its leaving

987
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,079
the mountain itself so then again like

988
00:49:25,970 --> 00:49:22,720
James that said also that he believes

989
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:25,980
that there's a base within Mount Adams

990
00:49:32,550 --> 00:49:29,920
itself and again Manchester you know

991
00:49:36,540 --> 00:49:32,560
uses are places all over the world UFO

992
00:49:38,990 --> 00:49:36,550
hot spots where people see things as

993
00:49:41,550 --> 00:49:39,000
well and bases I believe there are

994
00:49:45,450 --> 00:49:41,560
underwater bases because most of our

995
00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:45,460
ocean is undiscovered you know the depth

996
00:49:51,150 --> 00:49:47,940
as well that they can probably go to

997
00:49:54,569 --> 00:49:51,160
yeah it just goes on and on really

998
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:54,579
that's really deep like you said that's

999
00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:56,530
why I called the second book the us

1000
00:50:02,670 --> 00:49:58,450
ology umbrella because that the way I

1001
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:02,680
see us ology you know it's it's bit like

1002
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:05,440
an umbrella the word umbrella is the UFO

1003
00:50:12,540 --> 00:50:08,800
us follow G word and off that cascades

1004
00:50:15,540 --> 00:50:12,550
or lots of different categories from

1005
00:50:19,620 --> 00:50:15,550
abduction sightings you know you can

1006
00:50:23,130 --> 00:50:19,630
just go on and on and on mm-hmm going a

1007
00:50:25,020 --> 00:50:23,140
little bit off of that and the unusual

1008
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:25,030
and strange happenings around the world

1009
00:50:29,550 --> 00:50:26,770
I'm really interested in a particular

1010
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:29,560
area I live in Nevada but I I'm from

1011
00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:31,290
Utah there's a particular area and

1012
00:50:36,740 --> 00:50:34,710
that experiences just a wide smorgasbord

1013
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:36,750
of different it's almost like a

1014
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:38,880
paranormal everything you can imagine

1015
00:50:45,050 --> 00:50:42,810
and what's odd is a lot of UFOs a lot of

1016
00:50:46,910 --> 00:50:45,060
this quote-unquote portal activity and

1017
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:46,920
then you have things that are thrown in

1018
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:49,680
the mix like for all lack of a better

1019
00:50:57,380 --> 00:50:53,130
word things like werewolves or dog men

1020
00:50:59,150 --> 00:50:57,390
how do these things have anything to do

1021
00:51:01,250 --> 00:50:59,160
with the equation or is it just that

1022
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:01,260
these areas where the veil is pull back

1023
00:51:07,340 --> 00:51:04,530
door you're open to more do you have any

1024
00:51:09,500 --> 00:51:07,350
thoughts on that or have you experienced

1025
00:51:12,830 --> 00:51:09,510
anything cryptozoological or have any

1026
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:12,840
theories on that I think it's all linked

1027
00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:15,210
in in a way in one way or another the

1028
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:17,460
unexplained phenomena is such because

1029
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:22,650
you can talk about ghosts and like you

1030
00:51:30,020 --> 00:51:26,130
said the werewolves and vampires all

1031
00:51:32,990 --> 00:51:30,030
these types of things and UF ology such

1032
00:51:34,820 --> 00:51:33,000
a big area as well and I think in one

1033
00:51:37,550 --> 00:51:34,830
way or another a lot of things are all

1034
00:51:40,970 --> 00:51:37,560
linked together them here in the UK

1035
00:51:45,230 --> 00:51:40,980
we've got a brilliant researcher and you

1036
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:45,240
apologist Paul Sinclair and he's out in

1037
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:47,280
the field all the time and it comes

1038
00:51:52,300 --> 00:51:50,370
across very similar things to what you

1039
00:51:55,100 --> 00:51:52,310
just explained there I mean are you

1040
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:55,110
describing the skinwalker ranch sure

1041
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,050
that general I guess would be yes the U

1042
00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:00,240
in a basin area the general area they're

1043
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:05,400
surrounding yeah because you know the

1044
00:52:17,660 --> 00:52:14,300
plot isn't it you know where the the

1045
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:17,670
Indians lived going way back so you know

1046
00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:19,530
there's a lot of history there and what

1047
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:21,720
was actually going on and know things

1048
00:52:28,490 --> 00:52:24,240
places people probably shouldn't go oh

1049
00:52:30,860 --> 00:52:28,500
build on or you know whatever and all

1050
00:52:32,540 --> 00:52:30,870
around the world every single country in

1051
00:52:35,540 --> 00:52:32,550
the world can probably come up with the

1052
00:52:38,780 --> 00:52:35,550
similar sort of place where weird and

1053
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:38,790
wonderful things happen you know and

1054
00:52:44,610 --> 00:52:42,480
like he said I I think in some way I

1055
00:52:48,660 --> 00:52:44,620
love these things that maybe

1056
00:52:50,130 --> 00:52:48,670
look at Bigfoot and the Yeti and all

1057
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:50,140
over the world it's called different

1058
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:53,890
names but I do believe there you know a

1059
00:52:59,640 --> 00:52:56,410
multi-dimensional being as well you know

1060
00:53:02,700 --> 00:52:59,650
when it's all part of things that we're

1061
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:02,710
we don't hundred percent understand and

1062
00:53:08,070 --> 00:53:06,400
we're trying to grasp so yeah yeah I do

1063
00:53:08,670 --> 00:53:08,080
believe that all linked in one way or

1064
00:53:11,970 --> 00:53:08,680
another

1065
00:53:16,260 --> 00:53:11,980
mm-hmm and I wanted to ask your opinion

1066
00:53:20,430 --> 00:53:16,270
of the the force that you mentioned in

1067
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:20,440
your book it's at least to me when I was

1068
00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:24,640
reading it it seems very similar to a

1069
00:53:29,790 --> 00:53:27,310
lot of what Hollywood has portrayed and

1070
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:29,800
for example the Star Wars films that

1071
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:32,650
there is this this force out there and

1072
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:37,690
that your ability to work with it is for

1073
00:53:46,620 --> 00:53:39,850
all intents and purposes to us humans

1074
00:53:49,860 --> 00:53:46,630
seen as literally magic well yes magic

1075
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:49,870
again is that word something that we

1076
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:52,960
don't understand and then it goes back

1077
00:54:01,260 --> 00:53:56,410
to like we discussed earlier about gods

1078
00:54:04,290 --> 00:54:01,270
being you know EEPs on a higher level of

1079
00:54:06,750 --> 00:54:04,300
knowledge and experience to what we are

1080
00:54:09,810 --> 00:54:06,760
and they know how to manipulate the

1081
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:09,820
surroundings to know how to levitate

1082
00:54:16,020 --> 00:54:12,610
things they'll know how to mind really

1083
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:16,030
good people telepathy etc you know and

1084
00:54:19,110 --> 00:54:18,370
it could come across as being some kind

1085
00:54:22,860 --> 00:54:19,120
of force

1086
00:54:24,830 --> 00:54:22,870
yeah and Hollywood they're very good at

1087
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:24,840
actually going down that road of

1088
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:27,760
bringing things out that will make you

1089
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:29,650
think about what what you actually

1090
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:31,810
watching and and there I mean that a

1091
00:54:37,050 --> 00:54:34,480
good example is going back to my early

1092
00:54:40,350 --> 00:54:37,060
days watching TV and I was always

1093
00:54:43,350 --> 00:54:40,360
interested in arthur c clarke mysterious

1094
00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:43,360
world and you know anything here on

1095
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:45,730
unexplained ice with binding magazines

1096
00:54:52,770 --> 00:54:48,850
the unexplained magazines and read books

1097
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:52,780
and and and one of the TV shows to watch

1098
00:54:58,049 --> 00:54:55,690
was Doctor Who

1099
00:55:00,660 --> 00:54:58,059
he's been around as long as I can

1100
00:55:03,390 --> 00:55:00,670
remember dr. who put the theory if that

1101
00:55:06,900 --> 00:55:03,400
is his TARDIS that can travel in time

1102
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:06,910
and space now some of these obviously

1103
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:09,609
thought of that they the writers are

1104
00:55:16,500 --> 00:55:14,170
actually produced it into a TV show you

1105
00:55:18,420 --> 00:55:16,510
know that whether that's really good

1106
00:55:20,370 --> 00:55:18,430
imagination but we're actually talking

1107
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:20,380
about that now we're actually going down

1108
00:55:27,089 --> 00:55:23,440
those things so whether that's planting

1109
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:27,099
the seeds through Hollywood and TV it's

1110
00:55:31,980 --> 00:55:30,490
all very clever and all probably part of

1111
00:55:35,250 --> 00:55:31,990
some sort of program and if you actually

1112
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:35,260
think about it yeah it does seem that

1113
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:37,930
way they they they seem to have their

1114
00:55:43,890 --> 00:55:42,400
pulse onto something and and it what

1115
00:55:47,579 --> 00:55:43,900
that is it's amazing

1116
00:55:50,670 --> 00:55:47,589
the accuracy of a lot of hollywood's

1117
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:50,680
injections into into into the populous I

1118
00:55:54,539 --> 00:55:52,720
mean here star trekt you know we had

1119
00:55:56,430 --> 00:55:54,549
these communicators that would flip and

1120
00:55:59,339 --> 00:55:56,440
now we have we had the flip phone and

1121
00:56:02,549 --> 00:55:59,349
then we had you know these it seems like

1122
00:56:05,220 --> 00:56:02,559
technology is following Hollywood's cues

1123
00:56:08,099 --> 00:56:05,230
or it's just very difficult it's very

1124
00:56:10,049 --> 00:56:08,109
difficult to you know is is art

1125
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:10,059
imitating life or his life imitating art

1126
00:56:17,940 --> 00:56:12,640
as so often it's the case historically

1127
00:56:21,089 --> 00:56:17,950
and I know that you're busy guy I know

1128
00:56:22,620 --> 00:56:21,099
that yeah I want to appreciate all all

1129
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:22,630
your time that you've devoted to the

1130
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subject your works of literature your

1131
00:56:29,130 --> 00:56:27,609
overall knowledge of analysis and being

1132
00:56:32,609 --> 00:56:29,140
one of the premiere analysts of

1133
00:56:34,890 --> 00:56:32,619
photographic evidence worldwide Jason I

1134
00:56:36,990 --> 00:56:34,900
can't thank you enough for being on the

1135
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podcast where can listeners keep up with

1136
00:56:43,769 --> 00:56:39,180
your work and support all you've done

1137
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yes well thank you for that if anybody

1138
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needs to contact me with regards to a

1139
00:56:52,829 --> 00:56:49,630
sighting or to analyze an image your

1140
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footage for them they can contact me by

1141
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my facebook page which is unrolling on

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twitter exactly which is gold

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00:57:04,410 --> 00:57:01,779
uf only it's all there they can contact

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me through that page and you know I can

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help them as much as I can with the

1146
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analysis sighs if I can't

1147
00:57:14,299 --> 00:57:11,309
with something related I can certainly

1148
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pass them on to somebody you know in the

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field you can help them and my two books

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through Philip Mantle's publishing

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company flying this press excellent

1155
00:57:39,980 --> 00:57:36,510
thank you so much I wholeheartedly

1156
00:57:45,950 --> 00:57:39,990
appreciate you and be blessed thanks

1157
00:57:52,370 --> 00:57:45,960
again thank you man oh man

1158
00:57:56,539 --> 00:57:52,380
Jason Gleaves stand-up guy a hero to us

1159
00:58:00,680 --> 00:57:56,549
all they just don't get much more

1160
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passionate and precise than Jason it's

1161
00:58:05,690 --> 00:58:02,789
no wonder he's with the flying disc

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press it's one of my favorite publishers

1163
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on the planet and it should be one of

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yours too and it's no wonder why his

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books his lectures and his ability to

1166
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cut through the muck like a hot knife

1167
00:58:25,579 --> 00:58:19,440
through butter is so appreciated in the

1168
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field one of the great ones for sure the

1169
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time he's devoted to the subject his

1170
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works of literature his knowledge of

1171
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1172
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of the go-to guys when you need a UFO

1173
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1174
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Jason Gleaves is a true hero if you guys

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1182
00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:12,240
time another one comes out Jason

1183
00:59:18,850 --> 00:59:15,569
mentioned whether or not we're going to

1184
00:59:22,930 --> 00:59:18,860
have Calvin Parker on the podcast and

1185
00:59:25,950 --> 00:59:22,940
can attest and I can say he is scheduled

1186
00:59:29,350 --> 00:59:25,960
so keep an eye out for that one

1187
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:29,360
until next time heroes keep your eyes to

1188
00:59:40,290 --> 00:59:32,570
the skies feet on the ground but don't

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